1 00:00:04,230 --> 00:00:02,389 welcome back to mission control here in 2 00:00:06,070 --> 00:00:04,240 houston uh we just mentioned a moment 3 00:00:07,829 --> 00:00:06,080 ago about the arrival of the george le 4 00:00:10,470 --> 00:00:07,839 matra automated transfer vehicle 5 00:00:14,390 --> 00:00:10,480 launched a few weeks ago by the european 6 00:00:17,189 --> 00:00:14,400 space agency one of the items uh that is 7 00:00:20,790 --> 00:00:17,199 in the atv awaiting transfer and uh set 8 00:00:23,109 --> 00:00:20,800 up for uh scientific research is a very 9 00:00:24,950 --> 00:00:23,119 unique and novel uh experiment called 10 00:00:27,189 --> 00:00:24,960 haptics one 11 00:00:30,710 --> 00:00:27,199 joining us today to discuss all of that 12 00:00:33,030 --> 00:00:30,720 is dr andre sheila who is the head of 13 00:00:35,510 --> 00:00:33,040 the european space agency's telerobotics 14 00:00:37,270 --> 00:00:35,520 laboratory at s-tech and an associate 15 00:00:39,830 --> 00:00:37,280 professor of mechanical materials in 16 00:00:42,389 --> 00:00:39,840 maritime engineering at delft university 17 00:00:44,069 --> 00:00:42,399 of technology in the netherlands dr 18 00:00:45,910 --> 00:00:44,079 sheila thank you very much for joining 19 00:00:47,830 --> 00:00:45,920 us today it's a pleasure to have you on 20 00:00:49,750 --> 00:00:47,840 space station live 21 00:00:51,189 --> 00:00:49,760 thank you rob naviers thank you for 22 00:00:53,270 --> 00:00:51,199 inviting me 23 00:00:55,350 --> 00:00:53,280 first off uh give us a 24 00:00:57,990 --> 00:00:55,360 sort of an overview as to what haptics 25 00:01:00,150 --> 00:00:58,000 one is all about and how excited are you 26 00:01:02,709 --> 00:01:00,160 personally to get this experiment on 27 00:01:05,509 --> 00:01:02,719 board and get it going 28 00:01:08,950 --> 00:01:05,519 oh i'm very excited actually haptics one 29 00:01:11,830 --> 00:01:08,960 is really a first timer in the sense of 30 00:01:13,590 --> 00:01:11,840 uh the fact that never before a force 31 00:01:16,070 --> 00:01:13,600 reflecting device has been flown to 32 00:01:18,550 --> 00:01:16,080 space so we have been given the 33 00:01:21,109 --> 00:01:18,560 opportunity at my laboratory to build a 34 00:01:23,830 --> 00:01:21,119 force reflecting joystick that would 35 00:01:24,710 --> 00:01:23,840 find its way up to the station and allow 36 00:01:27,749 --> 00:01:24,720 crew 37 00:01:30,469 --> 00:01:27,759 in the future to control robotic systems 38 00:01:32,870 --> 00:01:30,479 on the planet of earth from the orbiting 39 00:01:34,870 --> 00:01:32,880 station and you're seeing here a first 40 00:01:37,670 --> 00:01:34,880 test run that we did with some of the 41 00:01:39,749 --> 00:01:37,680 astronauts alexander gerst and barry 42 00:01:42,630 --> 00:01:39,759 wilmore during the crown training 43 00:01:44,870 --> 00:01:42,640 sessions so that is a joystick 44 00:01:47,190 --> 00:01:44,880 similar to a normal gaming joystick that 45 00:01:49,109 --> 00:01:47,200 you would imagine but very highly 46 00:01:52,389 --> 00:01:49,119 advanced it includes a real-time 47 00:01:55,270 --> 00:01:52,399 computer it includes some very high 48 00:01:57,910 --> 00:01:55,280 sensitivity force sensors in there that 49 00:02:00,709 --> 00:01:57,920 allows to actually perform position and 50 00:02:03,270 --> 00:02:00,719 force tasks by humans uh haptics one 51 00:02:05,670 --> 00:02:03,280 also has a tablet pc and we implemented 52 00:02:08,309 --> 00:02:05,680 a revolutionary new approach on how to 53 00:02:10,469 --> 00:02:08,319 actually do crew guided procedures uh 54 00:02:13,350 --> 00:02:10,479 you're seeing here barry wilmore during 55 00:02:15,430 --> 00:02:13,360 the btc runs how he actually tracks an 56 00:02:17,830 --> 00:02:15,440 experiment and the tablet pc actually 57 00:02:20,309 --> 00:02:17,840 guides the astronaut entirely through 58 00:02:22,309 --> 00:02:20,319 the experiment so it is very similar to 59 00:02:24,309 --> 00:02:22,319 your usual iphone that you have in an 60 00:02:26,229 --> 00:02:24,319 app that actually controls you 61 00:02:29,430 --> 00:02:26,239 automatically through through all the 62 00:02:31,750 --> 00:02:29,440 menu items and for space this is pretty 63 00:02:34,229 --> 00:02:31,760 unique and it sets the path for novel 64 00:02:36,229 --> 00:02:34,239 control stations in the future to come 65 00:02:38,309 --> 00:02:36,239 in order to allow astronauts to really 66 00:02:41,110 --> 00:02:38,319 interact intuitively with robotic 67 00:02:43,670 --> 00:02:41,120 systems on planetary surface or also 68 00:02:45,670 --> 00:02:43,680 outside the space station 69 00:02:47,110 --> 00:02:45,680 dr andrei sheila the principal 70 00:02:49,589 --> 00:02:47,120 investigator of the haptics one 71 00:02:52,869 --> 00:02:49,599 experiment joining us today dr sheila 72 00:02:56,470 --> 00:02:52,879 what prompted uh your desire to develop 73 00:02:59,670 --> 00:02:56,480 such a novel and unique experiment 74 00:03:01,990 --> 00:02:59,680 oh actually there are two two really um 75 00:03:03,750 --> 00:03:02,000 basic needs that that we had one was 76 00:03:05,750 --> 00:03:03,760 really a practical one 77 00:03:08,149 --> 00:03:05,760 my laboratory has been tasked to 78 00:03:10,869 --> 00:03:08,159 conceive a more advanced robotic control 79 00:03:13,350 --> 00:03:10,879 station in the future uh allowing to 80 00:03:16,229 --> 00:03:13,360 control complex robotic systems in the 81 00:03:19,750 --> 00:03:16,239 years to come and in this frame we will 82 00:03:21,830 --> 00:03:19,760 design an exoskeleton controller so we 83 00:03:24,390 --> 00:03:21,840 decided it would be good to have first 84 00:03:26,789 --> 00:03:24,400 test first test of the technology to 85 00:03:28,390 --> 00:03:26,799 actually implement on the station to run 86 00:03:30,830 --> 00:03:28,400 through the entire processes of 87 00:03:33,830 --> 00:03:30,840 verification safety medical 88 00:03:36,309 --> 00:03:33,840 certification um my laboratory is a 89 00:03:38,630 --> 00:03:36,319 rather small agile laboratory within esa 90 00:03:41,030 --> 00:03:38,640 so we are eight to ten people and we 91 00:03:42,470 --> 00:03:41,040 were thrilled to actually test out uh 92 00:03:44,309 --> 00:03:42,480 part of the development of that 93 00:03:46,550 --> 00:03:44,319 exoskeleton on a force reflecting 94 00:03:48,630 --> 00:03:46,560 joystick which already has all the 95 00:03:50,630 --> 00:03:48,640 computing infrastructure the motor 96 00:03:52,789 --> 00:03:50,640 controls and all the electronics for the 97 00:03:55,509 --> 00:03:52,799 later more complex exoskeleton 98 00:03:57,670 --> 00:03:55,519 controller in place 99 00:03:59,429 --> 00:03:57,680 secondly there was also a scientific 100 00:04:01,990 --> 00:03:59,439 rationale for this 101 00:04:05,350 --> 00:04:02,000 being the lack of data of how humans 102 00:04:07,030 --> 00:04:05,360 behave in microgravity when controlling 103 00:04:09,190 --> 00:04:07,040 forces and positions 104 00:04:11,589 --> 00:04:09,200 so we have a lot of experience on earth 105 00:04:14,229 --> 00:04:11,599 how to use haptic feedback in robotic 106 00:04:17,110 --> 00:04:14,239 control but we have not a single data 107 00:04:19,349 --> 00:04:17,120 point in space and actually microgravity 108 00:04:21,189 --> 00:04:19,359 so we wanted to understand the principal 109 00:04:23,670 --> 00:04:21,199 mechanisms on how this works in a 110 00:04:25,830 --> 00:04:23,680 microgravity environment 111 00:04:27,590 --> 00:04:25,840 when are we expected to see haptics one 112 00:04:30,550 --> 00:04:27,600 up and running 113 00:04:33,909 --> 00:04:30,560 currently the planning is to take place 114 00:04:36,629 --> 00:04:33,919 around 28 and 29 of september uh by 115 00:04:38,629 --> 00:04:36,639 alexander gerst the the esa astronaut 116 00:04:41,189 --> 00:04:38,639 who will be the first crew member to 117 00:04:43,590 --> 00:04:41,199 execute that set of product calls are 118 00:04:45,510 --> 00:04:43,600 seven protocols that he will conduct 119 00:04:47,430 --> 00:04:45,520 that range from measuring all types of 120 00:04:50,070 --> 00:04:47,440 physical properties and technology 121 00:04:53,590 --> 00:04:50,080 technical uh properties of the system 122 00:04:56,629 --> 00:04:53,600 and we hope that we we will take those 123 00:04:58,150 --> 00:04:56,639 measurements on those dates but knowing 124 00:05:00,230 --> 00:04:58,160 the the infrastructure of the space 125 00:05:01,830 --> 00:05:00,240 station some tasks are very high 126 00:05:03,909 --> 00:05:01,840 priority tasks so there is some 127 00:05:07,270 --> 00:05:03,919 flexibility that it might take 128 00:05:09,590 --> 00:05:07,280 place a little bit later or even earlier 129 00:05:12,390 --> 00:05:09,600 and finally dr sheila what ultimately 130 00:05:15,670 --> 00:05:12,400 will be the earth based application of 131 00:05:17,590 --> 00:05:15,680 this revolutionary technology 132 00:05:20,230 --> 00:05:17,600 well in earth there there are a lot of 133 00:05:21,830 --> 00:05:20,240 applications basically any application 134 00:05:24,390 --> 00:05:21,840 that requires 135 00:05:27,510 --> 00:05:24,400 uh tasks to be carried out in places 136 00:05:30,150 --> 00:05:27,520 where humans shouldn't be uh imagine uh 137 00:05:33,430 --> 00:05:30,160 the the catastrophic events of fukushima 138 00:05:35,990 --> 00:05:33,440 or genobil or also activities deep in 139 00:05:38,310 --> 00:05:36,000 the ocean like deepwater horizon where 140 00:05:40,550 --> 00:05:38,320 robotic systems can go but humans can't 141 00:05:43,830 --> 00:05:40,560 go for these sort of applications we 142 00:05:45,830 --> 00:05:43,840 need robotic technology that allows to 143 00:05:48,070 --> 00:05:45,840 make the human feel present at a work 144 00:05:50,070 --> 00:05:48,080 site even though it's only a technical 145 00:05:52,310 --> 00:05:50,080 system that is actually there 146 00:05:55,430 --> 00:05:52,320 so the technology we are developing for 147 00:05:59,510 --> 00:05:55,440 iss being very intuitive to use will 148 00:06:01,270 --> 00:05:59,520 directly benefit to those areas 149 00:06:03,029 --> 00:06:01,280 well it sounds like a fabulous 150 00:06:04,550 --> 00:06:03,039 opportunity and a great experiment 151 00:06:06,870 --> 00:06:04,560 coming up and we can't wait to see the 152 00:06:09,990 --> 00:06:06,880 results and share them with you as they 153 00:06:12,150 --> 00:06:10,000 unfold dr andrei sheila of the european 154 00:06:13,670 --> 00:06:12,160 space agency's telerobotics laboratory 155 00:06:15,350 --> 00:06:13,680 thank you so much for joining us today